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cnn quickvote: who would you rather have overseeing operations at u.s. ports? ( ) arab-based ports company ( ) u.s.-based mafia

Date: 2006-03-12 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennyhill.livejournal.com
It won't let me vote.

Date: 2006-03-12 08:21 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (anime - (c) 2002 jim vandewalker)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I WILL ALLOW NO SUCH VOTE TO OCCUR.

It's just an image of the poll at cnn.com. If you really want to vote, it's probably still there.

Date: 2006-03-12 08:22 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-03-12 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheesetruck.livejournal.com
wait that actually was on cnn?

I don't read cnn cuz of ads and the lack of information, but, um, seriously that's some whacked out wtf-32 there.

Date: 2006-03-12 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eejitalmuppet.livejournal.com
See, in a modern democratic country, there's always a choice.

Date: 2006-03-12 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wisn.livejournal.com
It's the essence of freedom in a real and proper capitalist economy. See, we're freer than you are not just because we have more brands of breakfast cereal, but because each of those brands is available in a greater variety of box sizes. And this is what we're trying to bring to the really important parts of the world, like Iraq, even if we have to make them more squalid in order to do it.

Date: 2006-03-12 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eejitalmuppet.livejournal.com
Ha, I spit on your Capitalist Pig-Dog breakfast cereals! We in BoltonleSandsistan have no need for 437 varieties of chocolate-coated artificial Imperialist abominations, when we have delicious baked woodshavings[1].

Also, we are not so backward as you may think. Recent sacks of woodshavings have come with a free Revolutionary Slogan: all the kids in our street are trying to collect the full set.


[1] SSC: A friend once referred to the mueslis I tend to favour as, "woodchips".

Date: 2006-03-12 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentelrond.livejournal.com
You're shitting me.

Wow.

Though I must admit, grudgingly, that I was with the President on the ports issue. It would've made little difference in our port safety (lousy before, lousy after), and it would've shown that we could work with fairly progressive Arab countries.

Date: 2006-03-12 07:24 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I wouldn't say that i was with the President, but i was very skeptical of the sudden and intense resistance from all parts of Congress. And, of course, it was because the President's deal was favoring all of his own people and none of Congress's. As for the "working with fairly progressive Arab countries"... seriously, c'mon. Money, man, money.

Date: 2006-03-12 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agentelrond.livejournal.com
Well, clearly, it was about money. After all, it was a business deal. But it still could be spun to supporting an Arab country that is about as Western as they come.

Date: 2006-03-12 08:19 pm (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
Oh, yeah, the whole security thing is completely absurd and a little disturbing. On one hand, I'm really unhappy about the reaction to the deal, since what it's basically saying is that this country is becoming more and more racist, and racism is exactly how it's going to come across to everyone in the region. On the other hand, the schadenfreude inherent in Bush being hoisted on his own petard by the racism and paranoia that he's been preaching for the last six years almost makes it all worth it.

Date: 2006-03-12 08:40 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I don't think it's fair to say that Bush has been preaching racism. He's always been very careful about that. However, he's always been very patronizing towards the Middle East, and i suppose there's some inherent racism in that.

Date: 2006-03-12 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
He's been preaching Islamic menace pretty hard. He has given lip service to not making that racist, and every once in a while says something about "good Islam," but honestly that strikes me more as ass-covering than any real attempt at countering the underlying racist message.

The average US citizen is not particularly good at drawing distinctions between Arab and Moslem, let alone between extremist and non-extremist and all of the other variations. I think Bush knows that perfectly well and was actively exploiting that to push his case for war. Now that it's getting in the way of doing business, it bothers him a lot, but it sure was serving his purposes earlier.

But your point about how these people he wants to do business with are his people is well-taken.

Date: 2006-03-13 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pennyhill.livejournal.com
I see the dynamic in a similar way. However, I think it'd be more accurate to say that Bush is being hoisted on his own petard by the xenophobia, jingoism, and paranoia that he's been preaching for the last six years...

Date: 2006-03-13 12:17 am (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
Let's try this logged in this time...

Yeah, you may well be right, although Bush's gestures towards not being racist strike me more as ass-covering than anything else. It does feel to me like he's actively taken advantage of the difficulties the US public has in distinguishing between Islamic and Arabic, let alone between extremism and not.

We need a word like racism that instead refers to religion. That would be a more accurate charge.

Date: 2006-03-13 02:37 am (UTC)
thedarkages: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thedarkages
I believe the word you are seeking is "bigotry." OED, "bigot," A (2).

Date: 2006-03-13 02:44 am (UTC)
eagle: Me at the Adobe in Yachats, Oregon (Default)
From: [personal profile] eagle
That works. Good point.

Date: 2006-03-14 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frosch.livejournal.com
DING DING DING DING DING

Date: 2006-03-13 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandollar17.livejournal.com
Effing effs.
From: [identity profile] drieuxster.livejournal.com

It should have counterpoised an arabl based port management company owned by an arab government as a part of their Red Communist Plot To Destroy Our White Christian america, over and against, a Satanic Demonic Gay HomoZexual Zombie Pirate Marriage Initiative backing leftist leaning pro-terrorist clique advocating the governmental control of the economy!

that would help americans understand that it is IMPORTANT to put the department of homeland security in between one's self and one's personal financial transactions with other corporate entities....

Date: 2006-03-14 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frosch.livejournal.com
CNN is just jealous because they don't have Bill O'Reilly.

Date: 2006-03-14 04:28 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (anime - (c) 2002 jim vandewalker)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
Hey, they had Bob Novak! They wasted their chance!

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