attention safari users

[rone]

Never mind that you're too lame to switch to Firebird... there's some sort of vulnerability that allows malicious servers to steal your cookies. So fix it. Or switch. Or kill me.

Comments

[mmcirvin.livejournal.com]

If you're gonna switch to a Mozilla-based browser on a Mac, Camino is the one, not Firebird. Firebird for Mac is getting better, but the problem is that the initial Mac ports of XUL were ragged and slow, so they dragged the performance down a bit, whereas Camino uses Mac interface elements.

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

A-ha. For some reason i was laboring under the impression that they'd folded Chimera/Camino into the Firebird tree.

[mmcirvin.livejournal.com]

The current problem with Camino is that the development is basically being done by one guy, Mike Pinkerton, who doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. So the last point release was some time ago, and to go beyond that you have to go to the nightlies, and he constantly bitches about people bitching at him on his blog.

The weird thing about Mac browser development is that all the good stuff is in some way the product of one guy, Dave Hyatt. Pinkerton is the inheritor of Camino from Hyatt after he got hired by Apple to work on Safari, and before he worked on Camino Hyatt wrote XUL, and somewhere in there he was instrumental in the beginning of what is now Firebird.

[chicken-cem.livejournal.com]

I agree -- Camino is still better than Firebird, although Firebird does improve with each release. I love Thunderbird for email, too. Launching each separately is way more reasonable than launching the full Mozilla suite.

I don't like Safari much, especially since its CSS, Unicode, and XML support are still behind what the Mozilla/Firebird/Camino people have to offer. But I will tolerate it over IE any day, of course. In fact, I have deleted IE on some of my machines. Cuz, ew.

[mmcirvin.livejournal.com]

Lots of things about Safari irritate me (substandard TITLE attribute support, the oddball bookmark interface), but the thing that keeps bringing me back is that its tabs have little close widgets. For some reason that's become important to me. (However, the means of indicating the active tab is backwards and therefore bad-- it constantly trips me up when there are only two.) Safari also has marginally better UI performance than Camino to my eyes, but the difference is small these days.

Camino developed a cosmetic problem from the pointless change to the system tab widget that happened in Panther, but it still works fine.

Firebird keeps losing its scroll bars on me, especially when I mess with themes.

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

I tried themes for a while and Firebrid got all wonky. So i don't do that anymore. Themes are stupid, anyway.

[mmcirvin.livejournal.com]

By the way, I think that while the Mozilla Gecko engine is still ahead in CSS and XML support, where Unicode is concerned, Safari's support (which I think is really OS X system-level code) and Gecko's are actually neck and neck right now. Each one falls down on some oddball cases that the other handles with grace, and they're both pretty good at handling the common usages.

It used to be that the OS X system support was only used by OmniWeb, and Apple was way ahead of the Mozilla team at the time, so that while OmniWeb barfed on every other Web standard in the universe, it was the unchallenged Unicode king. But Mozilla caught up.

[mmcirvin.livejournal.com]

Oh, yeah, and Camino also has this one tiny bug that for some reason irritates me out of all proportion to its actual seriousness. If you start typing a URL and then select a site from the completion drop menu, and then after the page loads you press the down-arrow button, it reactivates the drop menu in a way that corrupts the text in the URL field: what ends up in it is a mangled combination of the text with and without the http:// prefix.

Last I checked Bugzilla, nobody else had bitched about this. I forgot my Bugzilla account password ages ago; maybe I ought to look into it...