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As is often the case, Warren Ellis opines along the same lines as i do, except better.

too simple by half

Date: 2006-02-23 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] venividi.livejournal.com
what ever happened to "sticks and stones"?

Date: 2006-02-23 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com
Except he neglects to mention the fact that nobody in the Muslim world gave a fig until radical Danish clerics circulated a manifesto that included bogus cartoons which were far more offensive than anything actually appearing in the paper.

Date: 2006-02-23 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunburn.livejournal.com
... and a picture of bearded french farmer competing in a hog-calling contest while wearing a pig snout and pig ears, alleging same to be a cartoon depicting Muhammed as a pig.

Hey Rone, where'd you get/make your "Stop Casting Porosity" image there?

Date: 2006-02-23 10:59 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (bowler)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
images.google.com, second hit.

Date: 2006-02-23 10:58 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
That doesn't have much to do with the fact that many of the real cartoons are a big pile of shit written by adolescents.

Date: 2006-02-24 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com
Yes, and my point was that nobody seemed to care how adolescent and shitty they were until they were used as part of a deliberate propaganda campaign by religious fanatics to incite riots against Denmark.

As stupid and intolerant as it was for Jyllands-Posten to publish these cartoons, the response to them has been even moreso.

Date: 2006-02-24 03:39 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I don't think anyone is trying to defend the reaction. But some are trying to defend the cartoons.

Date: 2006-02-23 07:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] waider.livejournal.com
Neil Gaiman had a post with a similar-but-with-less-vitriol stance. Handwaving the stance of the newspaper in question (and the cabal of mullahs), you may have the right to express yourself, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea.

Date: 2006-02-23 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com
Or as the Clash put it, "you have the right to free speech...provided you're not dumb enough to actually try it."

Date: 2006-02-23 10:56 pm (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
I think the problem here is idiots conflating "free speech" with "worthless speech".

Date: 2006-02-24 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com
If they do nothing more than make people painfully aware of how much the people of this planet need to move beyond all types of religious fundamentalism in order to co-exist, then ultimately, I don't think they were worthless.

If that makes me an idiot in your book, so be it.

Date: 2006-02-24 03:39 am (UTC)
ext_8707: Taken in front of Carnegie Hall (quiet)
From: [identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com
If only that had been their goal, i might agree. But there's no reason to assume that i meant you when i used that word.

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