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[rone]

A continuation of the discussion i was having with endymion23:

"Survival of the fittest" does not lose its meaning with sentience; sentience merely redefines "fittest". "Survival of the fittest" is glib tripe, anyway, right up there with "meaning of life" and "free will". It sounds cool; it isn't.

You misunderstand my statement of having something to prove. I have lots to prove to those whom i deem it necessary: myself, my wife, my family. I don't have to prove the world anything. I don't have to prove YOU anything.

I appreciate the condescending admission that i have "some degree of merit." My heart is filled with blood.

And we are not "more" than animals. We're just very smart animals. This is an important distinction.

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[endymion23.livejournal.com]

"'Survival of the fittest' is glib tripe, anyway"

indeed...rather suprising that you see it that way...but true enough

"I don't have to prove YOU anything."

i would agree with you here, if it wasnt so obvious by your repeated responses that you feel you do...so does this mean that i feel I have something to prove by also responding repeatedly? perhaps, though for me this is just practice...we dont mean nearly enough to each other to make this a battle, just a good sparing match, which i, for one, needed...i speant way too long turning away from every fight that came my way, and i chose to push this with you because i knew you'd be a more than worthy opponent...

"I appreciate the condescending admission that i have 'some degree of merit.'"

just as i imagine tempest0402 appreciated the equaly condescending remarks about being a "drama queen", or the outright insult of "whiney nerd"...i'm not one to rehash age-old sayings like "don't dish it out if you can't take it"...but..."if the shoe fits"


And as far as the distinction between "more than" and "very smart" in reference to the animals....physiology agrees with you...philosophy doesnt...simply because animals, to the best of our knowledge, do not philosophize....so does that make us more than...perhaps not...until i make a more rational arguement for it, i will detract this statement...

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

If you don't think "i hate what America has become" is a drama-queeny and whiny remark, that's your prerogative. But saying that it is so ain't condescending.

[endymion23.livejournal.com]

for years now the economy has been intolerable....
we have a president who was not really elected into power...
we are in a war that did not start with someone attacking us, a war the world didnt want, a war we had to force to get started...
sooner or later you and i will both know one or two people that will be fighting in said war, whether they believe in it or not...

being upset about these situations is not whiney, it is not dama-queeny...it is reaction....expression of this reaction may seem whiney, but when you feel helpless, what else can be done...

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

I'm no fan of Dubya, but the man really was elected into office. As a nation, we're very used to jumping into wars that don't start with someone attacking us; nobody in the world wants war except for psychopaths and nuts; and we've forced wars to get started before, too. As for knowing people who fight in the war, hey, they signed up for it when they joined the Armed Forces.

Yes, it was the expression of the reaction that was whiny, but feeling helpless doesn't necessarily mean you have to sound helpless.

[palecur.livejournal.com]

for years now the economy has been intolerable....

Lie. Hell, the recessions of the 80s and early 90s were worse than this.

we have a president who was not really elected into power...

Lie. Learn you some constitutional law.

we are in a war that did not start with someone attacking us,

Lie. Parts of the world have been at war with us for years; it's only recently (I'll let you guess the date on your own) that we've been motivated to take the war to them, instead of waiting for the next shot.

a war the world didnt want,

Lie, if by 'the world' you mean 'every single non-US country.' True, I guess, if by 'the world' you mean 'about half of Europe'.

a war we had to force to get started...

Lie, since we didn't start the war.

sooner or later you and i will both know one or two people that will be fighting in said war, whether they believe in it or not...

This is already the case. What's your point?

being upset about these situations is not whiney

Technically true. Go you! To the left, what you're doing is not merely 'being upset' and goes well into 'whiny drama-queen'-land.

when you feel helpless, what else can be done...

'Not whine' does suggest itself as an option, as does 'grow a nutsack'.

(ps the ellipsis abuse fee is $10)

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

Lie. Hell, the recessions of the 80s and early 90s were worse than this.

Do note that he didn't say this was the worst recession ever; he said the economy was intolerable.

[palecur.livejournal.com]

Do note that he didn't say this was the worst recession ever; he said the economy was intolerable.

Previous recessions were tolerable, as evidenced by the fact that they were tolerated. Even the 1970s stagflation was tolerable. The economy is not currently intolerable, as we are currently tolerating it: QED. The Great Depression, I can see as 'intolerable.'

'The economy currently sucks' is a justifiable, if debatable, statement. 'The economy is currently intolerable and has been for years' is unadulterated balderdash.

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

You're using a funny version of "tolerate" here. I would take "tolerate" as "ignore it and it'll get better eventually". Dubya's trying to spur the economy with his tax cut package; say what you will about the quality of his notion, but the fact that he's trying to "spur the economy" leads me to believe that he isn't tolerating it.

"has been for years" technically means it's been so for two or more years, which jibes with the market starting its descent towards the bottom of God's Port-A-Potty in early 2000.

Also, yu0 = fag0rt.

[palecur.livejournal.com]

Ah; I was taking 'intolerable' as 'intolerable to the general US population, kind of thing, which is why I was picking the Great Depression as an example.

Also, yu0 = fag0rt.

GUILTY AS CHARGED!!! [minces away]

[endymion23.livejournal.com]

oh you certainly shut me up...'grow a nutsack' indeed...what a rational thing to say, isnt this debate cutting into your WWF watching time...

and just because certain parts of the world strike out at us, it doesnt mean theyre all doing it...but then maybe theyre all "towel-heads" to you...and your compassion for your fellow American is truley commendable, so why dont you go out there right now...while im busy "learning me some constitutional law" why dont you "learn you that machismo is a dying and useless institution...

[endymion23.livejournal.com]

hi take a look outside...step away from your computer, and really get a feel for whats going on...

and that name calling is so helpful to your debate

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

My journal is an ad hominem zone. Join in the fun!

... you poopypants.

[johnstonmr]

You take him to task for name-calling then resort to the same tactics. That high ground's mighty shaky, I guess.

[schwa242.livejournal.com]

Thank you both for taking this elsewhere. I was going to post some replies until I read more comments. Then another. And another. And another. And so on. Then I just didn't care to anymore.

-- Schwa ---

Sorry to clutter your journal with this comment, but oh well... All of yu0 === faggort!
But in all honesty I like you both. Internet hugs for everyone!!!

[schwa242.livejournal.com]

But in all honesty I like you both. Internet hugs for everyone!!!

Oh no! Now schwa242=== Faggrt!!!

[ronebofh.livejournal.com]

RAWR.