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entombed in the shrine of zeroes and ones ([personal profile] rone) wrote2007-11-14 08:59 pm
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i think that i've had just about enough of "heroes"

"Heroes" is a comic book title on the TV screen, and it carries all of the dreadful drawbacks that you'd expect from your typical comic book:

  • The plotting is twisty and leaky: a lot of it springs from the heavy reliance on time travel and precognition, which are being handled with a ham-handed grace.  As for the stuff that doesn't, here's one: how did Bob know Peter would be flying Nathan back to that specific hospital and walking down that specific corridor so Elle could zap him?  And my biggest complaint: why didn't Peter absorb Sylar's "instant comprehension" power?
  • The characters are not interesting except for their powers: leaving aside the really dumb but insignificant things, such as various characters looking directly at the solar eclipse, the characters alternate between being railroaded into being dull and predictable, and doing crazy, nonsensical things just to move the story along (why was Candice all alone taking care of a complete psycho like Sylar? why did Bob put Peter in the cell next to the extremely dangerous Adam, through which they could speak?).  To say the characters are two-dimensional is rather generous in at least half the cases.
  • Women and Blacks fare poorly: Charles Deveaux: dead.  D. L. Hawkins: dead.  Monica Dawson: nearly injected with lethal virus.  Simone Deveaux: dead.  Micah Hawkins: alive, but his dad was killed and his mom's crazy and irresponsible (also, he's only half-black and not a woman and just a kid).  The Haitian: almost died from Shanti virus.  Eden McCain: dead.  Angela Petrelli: scheming, manipulative, untrustworthy.  Maya Herrera: toxic crybaby who's developing a taste for killing.  Candice Wilmer: dead (didja notice she was a fatty?  god forbid an overweight girl pretending she's thin!  kill her!)  Niki Sanders: dissociative, and of course all her alternate personae are indecent and unscrupulous, oh, and she's infected with a lethal virus.  Molly Walker: her parents were gruesomely murdered by a serial killer and she was trapped in a nightmare.  Elle Bishop: way-over-the-top clichéd crazy.  Claire Bennet: teenage angst out the ass.  Sandra Bennet: she talks to her Pomeranian and was a bit dotty even before she got repeatedly mind-wiped.  Audrey Hanson: promising, and therefore written out.  Caitlin McKenna: stuck in the grim meathook future.  Janice Parkman: cheated on Matt, no explanation whatsoever.  Heidi Petrelli: stuck in a wheelchair after horrific accident, but at least Linderman healed her.  Yaeko: she's without the man she loves.  Jackie the Other Cheerleader: dead.  Charlie Andrews: dead.  Virginia Gray: dead.  Who does that leave?  Oh, right, Nana Dawson, but she's barely appeared.
Sure, i'm curious to see what happens next, but if "Heroes" were a comic book, i'd tell [livejournal.com profile] wacky_hijinx to drop my subscription.  How does a TV network pick up mediocrity like "Heroes" but not "Global Frequency"?  Oh, right, "TV network".

This ought to segue into my oft-promised rant about the dismal world of DC & Marvel, but i've had a migraine all day and i'm feeling a little drained now.

[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 05:14 am (UTC)(link)
And then there's the badness that is, say, the last few episodes of season 1.

There's the dumbness of the Exploding Man thing, and that's bad, but the worst part was how *lame* Sylar was. He can STOP BULLETS midflight that he didn't see coming, but he can't stop Hiro when Hiro shows up, poses, screams, then runs across the distance to stab him - and doesn't stop time?

Bullshit. The entire fight with Sylar was bad. Badly written, badly scripted, inconsistent, and all kinds of other badness. It pissed me off so much that it ruined just about all the goodwill I had from the rest of season 1.
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[identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, man, i knew i was forgetting something. He couldn't even HEAR the bullets because they're frickin' supersonic. And why are his powers dampened when he's not on any "Haitian drugs" and didn't suffer any head trauma? And why take him to Buttfucko del Este, Mexico?

Why didn't Peter fly off all by himself? Why did he need the tow from his brother? Speaking of which, why didn't the Haitian suppress Nathan's flight back when they pulled him out of bed? And why did they have the twins take the long way around from the DR to Venezuela, then through Central America and Mexico into the US? It defies belief that they'd be wanted for homicide in Guatemala and Mexico for a crime committed in the DR. OK, i think i'm done.

[identity profile] theweaselking.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yup, all those, and I'm sure there are more, too.

Heroes sucks. It had promise, but they didn't bother even *trying* to keep things consistent, they made things up as they went along without worrying about previously established facts, and they simply assumed that the audience of a superhero story wouldn't care about little details like consistency.

Heroes is probably the best comic-book TV show ever.

And it's insulting to the intelligence and totally ass-tastic and worthless.

Because "best superhero TV show ever" means NOTHING in terms of good TV.

[identity profile] khrister.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"Why didn't Peter fly off all by himself? Why did he need the tow from his brother?"

Actually, this one they actually explained in the dialogue (in a flashback, but still). Peter was concentrating on not exploding and couldn't really do anything else.

Most of the rest, I agree about. I just think it's fun enough to work even without the consistency.

[identity profile] kjc007.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ya know, it IS a comic.

We have it in hardcover at the store.

Two different versions of the cover, natch, (no difference inside, as best we can tell because they're shrink-wrapped).

Oh, and they run $30 a pop.

[identity profile] ikkyu2.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
You're aware that the producer apologized for all of season 2 today?
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[identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
Where? I know Kring (the creator) has expressed regret over most of Season 2. Season 1 wasn't exactly memorable, either.
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[identity profile] qwrrty.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 01:21 pm (UTC)(link)
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20158840,00.html

[identity profile] ikkyu2.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Er, yeah, beat me to it.

I don't even watch the show, I don't know why I participate in these things.

[identity profile] pennyhill.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 08:02 am (UTC)(link)
Peter and Claire were infinitely more engaging in Season 1. And then they started dating in real life. Maybe that's why Season 2 sucks.

The thing I'm more interested in is how many classic and later-day Star Trek crew will end up on the show. First Mr. Sulu. Then Lt. Uhura (and also Malcolm the engineer from "Enterprise" as one of the Irish guys.)

Maybe they'll have more "Alias" cast members... It's a sad state of affairs when the trivia is more interesting than the show.
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[identity profile] qwrrty.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
What I really liked about Season 1 was what they did with some of the characters, especially Nathan and Mr. Bennet, who were each far and away the most interesting and complex characters on the show. Mr. Bennet still has his dark mojo on, which is fab, but we're seeing a lot less of it. And so far none of the new characters look very interesting, personality-wise. Hmpf.

If you have been following the show at all I highly recommend [livejournal.com profile] desdenova's blow-by-blow show summaries. Usually cynical, often hysterical and always interesting.
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[identity profile] desdenova.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Heroes is frequently dumb and frequently annoying, but it is like crack. Very cheesy crack. At least half the fun I get out of watching it is chatting about it with people each week.

Also, I am shallow, and many of the actors (and actresses) are hot.

[identity profile] kawgirl.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're right. This is the first season I'm watching the show (weird because Christopher Eccleston was on it last season and I love him, especially as the first new Dr. Who and in Elizabeth), and I spend a lot of the time thinking, "uh huh. right." It's kind of too bad because I think the series has a lot of potential, but (not knowing anything about comic book history), I start to wonder why someone is trying to make a bad X-Men knock off.

[identity profile] nyar.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Concept: A-/B+
Execution: C-/D+

Really, it's pretty clear how they should have written the season, starting with most of the content of this last episode, save for MAYBE the peter bits. I don't know why the Apocalypse Twins origin was so secret until now. Or the Story of Niki and DL. False "suspsense" is so played out!

I almost am done watching the show. But Monday was just a little bit below TOO AWFUL TO CONTINUE, (it was the do or die episode for me) so out of graciousness, I'll watch the next three.

[identity profile] coldsleep.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I catch bits and pieces here and there, but only because my girlfriend watches it. It seems okay in the small amount I watch it, but that's probably the reason why.

Get working on that Marvel/DC rant. I think they've got a few titles that are doing okay, but I'd like to hear your take, and I'd like to hear what else you think people should be reading. Double dog dare you!

Maybe I should do my own take on that as well...if I can remember everything I'm reading at the moment.

No defense

[identity profile] erikred.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, there's plenty of silly going on. That having been said....

Sylar: Despite eating Hiro's girlfriend's brain, he hasn't demonstrated much in the way of instant comprehension. At a guess, his powers aren't working because he's been injected with the Company's virus, so it's a two-fer: his powers don't work, and he's going to die unless he gets the cure. Plenty of potential drama there. Btw, Sylar _does_ have a power: bashing people's heads in with blunt objects. I mean, c'mon, what is it about this guy that lets him get close enough to brain people when they ought to know better?

Matt Parkman: He breaks your "women and blacks fare poorly" rubric; he's a borderline moron, and his dad abandoned him. We see from the dim future that with the proper fascist leadership, he'll become an eager Gestapo recruit.

Adam and Bob: If you can't kill Adam, your best bet is to keep him contained in a furnace. Leaving him waiting around in a cell, any cell, is just not a reasonable way to approach his incarceration. Hell, if you can regenerate yourself after breaking bones and such, the only thing preventing you from breaking out is your tolerance for self-inflicted pain and the structural strength of your bones vs. that of whatever's holding you in place. So, now that we've eliminated this as a reasonable means of keeping him in, we're left with either bad writing (probable) or continued collusion between Bob and Adam (less likely, but more dramatically attractive).

DL Hawkins: Capital WTF? I mean, you'd think the man would have phasing down as a freaking instinct. He took Linderman's shot to protect Nikki, but why the hell would he let some clubber scumbag shoot him-- especially when we've already seen him phase in a fistfight? Senseless death is not "edgy"; it's just bad writing.

The major selling point for continuing to watch Heroes (as opposed to picking up any of the current comic books out there) is that Heroes is free... and it's not Lost.
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[identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, hasn't demonstrated much in the way of instant comprehension? He could slice off the top of a skull with telekinesis almost right off the bat. He harnessed the nucular boom power right away. He figured out the plague twins' schtick right away (and if he can figure that out, why don't his acquired powers work?).

Just because women and blacks fare poorly doesn't mean that the white dudes are all doing OK. At least Parkman's getting over his abandonment issues.

Can't kill Adam... did they try decapitating him and then splitting the skull down the middle? Hmmm? That's what Hiro should've done with Sylar instead of poking him and saying "Yatta!" like the total dork he is.

DL... man, let a guy get over being a jailbird, start doing honest work, saving lives, being a hero... fuck it, let's kill him. The show is called "Heroes" but it ought to be called "Super-Powered People With Issues". I really hope Micah decides to activate Skynet and get rid of everyone.

[identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This show is proof that Hollywood doesn't have a fucking clue how to adapt graphic novels or write a consistent story arc.
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[identity profile] ronebofh.livejournal.com 2007-11-15 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It's practically impossible if you throw time travel into the story. Once you start zooming back and forth in time, consistency is guaranteed to be screwed. Journeyman is suffering from this as well (and other crap, too).

[identity profile] mrbalihai.livejournal.com 2007-11-16 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was going to throw in Journeyman as another example of a bad story arc. Why did Hollywood think we needed another Quantum Leap?